Not only are there scats of new LCI's, we can coordinate through the NM LCI Group. Also we are working on getting Judges to offer a Motorist Share the Road Class. Tom Grover is working on the program for us.
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Amy Pickett <aim at woozle dot org> wrote:
From: Amy Pickett <aim at woozle dot org>
Subject: Re: [nmlci] RE: Cyclist death in Albq.
To: blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com
Cc: "Clay Davis" <cmdavis at lanl dot gov>, "Khalil Spencer" <khalil at losalamos dot com>, "Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT" <TomP dot Trowbridge at state dot nm dot us>, "Khalil J. Spencer" <spencerk at lanl dot gov>, bikefed at aol dot com, "Theresa Cull" <tcull at lanl dot gov>, board at bikeabq dot org, "Witter, Trina" <trina at solsurvival dot com>, andy at bikeleague dot org, "Martha Hardman" <MH at FBDLAW dot com>, "BikeABQ BikeABQ" <bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com>, "NM LCI Group" <nmlci at woozle dot org>, "Preston Tyree" <preston at bikeleague dot org>
Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:42 AM
A few years ago I would have been more interested in seeing harsher
penalties for this kind of thing, but now all I want to know is how this
could have been prevented. Maybe someday drivers will have to take a
course on sharing the road with bikes and other, slower vehicles, but
until then what we can do is keep offering the Road I (ahem, Traffic
Skills) course and try to get information out about wearing reflective
clothing and using lights at night. Cyclists have to be somewhat
responsible about how they conduct themselves on the road, too. I think
it's been shown many times over that drivers often walk away without
being cited and charged for this kind of crash - and that's not right -
but I'd love to see more energy go into getting these vehicular cycling
classes going and petitioning city and county councils for more rights
for bicyclists.
Now that we've got scads of new LCI's maybe we'll see more classes
popping up!
Amy
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 10:19 -0700, Black Tie Bicyclist wrote:
> Martha is right Speed is often a factor. I remember when I first moved
> to Albuquerque that everyone was passing me and the actual traffic
> speed seemed to be about 5 to 10 MPH ABOVE the posted speed limit.
>
> I live on a collector street with a 30 MPH posted speed. We often ask
> police to bring their radar gun and increase the cities coffers. They
> always do.
>
> We don't know one way or the other if speed was a factor in the latest
> cycling death, I like Martha bet it was.
>
> Here is info from the web site Martha refers to.
>
> Consider this example: a pedestrian walks out in front of a car. If
> the car is traveling at just 30 mph, and the driver brakes when the
> pedestrian is 45 feet away, there will be enough space in which to
> stop without hitting the pedestrian. Increase the vehicle speed by
> just 5 mph and the situation changes dramatically. At 35 mph, with the
> pedestrian 45 feet away and the driver braking at the same point, the
> car will be traveling at 18 mph when it hits the pedestrian. An impact
> at 18 mph can seriously injure or even kill the pedestrian.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Martha Hardman <MH at FBDLAW dot com> wrote:
>
> From: Martha Hardman <MH at FBDLAW dot com>
> Subject: RE: Cyclist death in Albq.
> To: blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com, "Clay Davis"
> <cmdavis at lanl dot gov>, "Khalil Spencer"
<khalil at losalamos dot com>,
> "Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT"
<TomP dot Trowbridge at state dot nm dot us>,
> "Khalil J. Spencer" <spencerk at lanl dot gov>,
bikefed at aol dot com,
> "Theresa Cull" <tcull at lanl dot gov>,
board at bikeabq dot org, "Witter,
> Trina" <trina at solsurvival dot com>, andy at bikeleague dot org
> Cc: "BikeABQ BikeABQ" <bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com>,
"NM LCI
> Group" <nmlci at woozle dot org>, "Preston Tyree"
> <preston at bikeleague dot org>
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:02 AM
>
> So...a car shouldn't try to cross a street from a side street?
> Really? This article is indistinct in what the cyclist was
> trying to do, but it wouldn't surprise me if the car that hit
> the cyclist was exceeding the speed limit as well--judging
> from the statements of Mr. Sanchez, who said "people were
> ignoring the speed limit..."
>
> People don't realize it, but excessive speed is the cause of a
> LOT of accidents that could have been avoided, had the posted
> speed limit been observed.
>
> Here's a link for your reading pleasure:
>
http://www.smartmotorist.com/traffic-and-safety-guideline/what-causes-car-accidents.html
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> From: Black Tie Bicyclist
> [mailto:blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: Clay Davis; Khalil Spencer; Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT;
> Khalil J. Spencer; bikefed at aol dot com; Theresa Cull;
> board at bikeabq dot org; Witter, Trina; andy at bikeleague dot org; Martha
> Hardman
> Cc: BikeABQ BikeABQ; NM LCI Group; Preston Tyree
> Subject: Re: Cyclist death in Albq.
>
>
>
> I think we all should drive our bikes as motorized vehicles
> are driven and not try to cross a street "near" an
> intersection but at the intersection.
> It does not say but lights and reflective vests may have
> helped prevent this tradgic event.
>
> It does sound like the cyclist was not following traffic law.
> Still leaving the scene of a crash is a crime.
>
> Please take a League of American Bicyclists Smart Cycling
> Traffic Skills 101 course and urge other cyclists to do the
> same.
>
> Craig Degenhardt
>
>
>
>
> Front Page news metro
>
> Friday, March 13, 2009
>
> Fatal Hit-Run Scene 'Chaos'
>
> By T.J. Wilham
> Journal Staff Writer
> Beverly Towne rushed over to help Ronald
> Hargrove after he was hit by a car while riding his
> bike.
> Moments later, a second vehicle hit both of them.
> Hargrove died, and Towne was taken to a hospital,
> where she was treated for broken ribs and a bruised
> hip.
> Now, police are looking for the driver of the
> first vehicle, which sped off after hitting Hargrove.
> "We don't know why he left the scene,"
Albuquerque
> police spokeswoman Nadine Hamby said. "Absolutely, if
> we find (him), he could be charged."
> According to police, as Hargrove, 45, was riding
> his bike about 7:45 p.m. Wednesday and attempting to
> cross Zuni near Pennsylvania, he was struck by a dark
> gray Honda Civic traveling west. The vehicle didn't
> stop, even though, police say, Hargrove may have been
> at fault.
> Towne, 35, and her fiance, Daniel Sanchez, 32,
> were driving on Zuni and saw sparks fly in the air as
> the bike "cartwheeled" when it slammed to the
> pavement.
> "He went head over heels and rolled,"
Sanchez said
> in an interview. "He was thrown like a rag
doll."
> The two quickly rushed to Hargrove, who was lying
> in the middle of traffic. His bike was several yards
> away.
> Towne, who had once studied to be a nurse,
> attempted to help him while Sanchez tried to divert
> traffic.
> "People were ignoring the speed limit, swerving
> around us like nothing happened," Sanchez said.
"You
> would think they would have stopped."
> Hargrove was awake and kept thanking Towne,
> Sanchez said.
> Suddenly, a Cadillac driven by Daryl Wilson, 56,
> hit both of them.
> The Cadillac ran over Hargrove's head, then struck
> Towne, who was kneeling and taking Hargrove's pulse.
> Towne was thrown about 15 feet into oncoming traffic.
> Sanchez quickly rushed to help her, stepping in
> front of a pickup that almost hit her.
> "That area is just bad," he said. "It
is complete
> chaos. Everyone disregarded the speed, and no one
> bothered to stop and help."
> Wilson stopped after hitting Hargrove and Towne
> and told police he didn't see the two in the middle of
> the road.
> Wilson has not been cited.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Martha Hardman <MH at FBDLAW dot com> wrote:
>
> From: Martha Hardman <MH at FBDLAW dot com>
> Subject: Cyclist death in Albq.
> To: "Clay Davis" <cmdavis at lanl dot gov>,
"Khalil Spencer"
> <khalil at losalamos dot com>, "Trowbridge, Tom P,
NMDOT"
> <TomP dot Trowbridge at state dot nm dot us>, "Khalil J.
Spencer"
> <spencerk at lanl dot gov>, bikefed at aol dot com, "Theresa
Cull"
> <tcull at lanl dot gov>, board at bikeabq dot org, "Witter,
Trina"
> <trina at solsurvival dot com>, andy at bikeleague dot org
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
>
> Read about it in today's Journal. I would link, but
it requires
> payment. Based on the reporting in the Journal, the cops
seem to have
> already decided the cyclist was at fault. The APD
spokesperson is
> quoted as saying they don't know why the driver left,
but IF they catch
> him or her, he or she COULD be charged." Could be
charged. How is that
> possible? The statute is pretty straightforward: if you
leave the
> scene of an accident (in which you were involved) with
injuries or
> fatalities, it is a fourth degree felony. There is no
provision
> exempting drivers if they happen to hit cyclists or
pedestrians. It
> really does seem that the police just don't give a
crap if a pedestrian
> or cyclist is hit and killed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Davis [mailto:cmdavis at lanl dot gov]
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 7:04 AM
> To: Khalil Spencer; Diane Albert; 'Diane Albert';
'Trowbridge, Tom
> P,
> NMDOT'; 'Khalil J. Spencer'; bikefed at aol dot com;
'Theresa
> Cull'; Martha
> Hardman; board at bikeabq dot org; 'Witter, Trina';
andy at bikeleague dot org
> Subject: RE: Santa Fe to add red light cameras
>
> Bad news folks, last night evidently there was a fatal hit
and run
> vehicle vs. bike in ABQ. While we have had a good time
discussing the
> pros and cons of red light cameras the death toll marches
on. Aside a
> fundamental change in our culture and in ourselves we face
continued
> challenges to our freedoms as imposed
"solutions" become ever more
> grim.
> Clay
> At 08:47 PM 3/12/2009 -0600, Khalil Spencer wrote:
> >If its unconstitutional, then a court should say so.
Sixth Amendment
> >says you have the right to face your accusers, but
also applies it to a
>
> >criminal prosecution. Is there case law that expands
that to a traffic
> >violation and an administrative process? My
understanding is that
> >Albuquerque and other municipalities skirted that
requirement.
> >
> >Who represents the 40,000 people who are killed every
year on our
> >roads, most by traffic violators?
> >
> >
> >
> >At 07:16 PM 3/12/2009, Diane Albert wrote:
>
>>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2187434/posts
> >>
> >>
> >>So Khal, you don't think it's important to
be able to face your
>
> >>accuser in court? That's why these are
unconstitional.
> >>
> >>Also, with the ABQ red (s)camera program, you
don't contest the
> fine
> >>in a court of law, it's an administrative
process, and it's
> toally
> >>stacked against any plaintiff.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Khalil [mailto:khalil at losalamos dot com]
> >>Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:45 PM
> >>To: Diane Albert; Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT; Khalil
J. Spencer;
> >>bikefed at aol dot com; Theresa Cull; clay Davis; DAHome;
MH at FBDLAW dot com;
> >>board at bikeabq dot org; Witter, Trina;
andy at bikeleague dot org
> >>Subject: RE: Santa Fe to add red light cameras
> >>
> >> I've not heard that these have been removed
anywhere on
> >>Constitutional grounds. What would be the grounds?
> >>
> >>Will be nice to get enough cities to do this for a
while and then have
>
> >>enough data to actually assert if they work or
not.
> >>
> >>Khal
> >>
> >>-----Original message-----
> >>From: "Diane Albert"
DAlbert at peacocklaw dot com
> >>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:29:53 -0700
> >>To: "Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT"
TomP dot Trowbridge at state dot nm dot us
> >>Subject: RE: Santa Fe to add red light cameras
> >>
> >> > I hate these things. They are
unconstitutional.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Diane E. Albert, Ph.D., J.D.
> >> >
> >> > Peacock Myers, P.C.
> >> >
> >> > 201 Third St NW, Suite 1340,
> >> >
> >> > Albuquerque, NM 87102
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > (http://www.PeacockLaw.com
> <blocked::http://www.peacocklaw.com/> )
> >> >
> >> > voice: (505) 998-6145; fax: (505) 243-2542
> >> >
> >> > email: DAlbert at PeacockLaw dot com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > NOTE --
************************************************
> >> >
> >> > The attorney-client privilege and/or the
attorney work product
> >> > doctrine apply to this communication,
including all attachments
> hereto.
> >> > Furthermore, this communication is
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>
> >> > for the named recipient(s). If you are not
a named recipient,
> >> > please delete this communication and notify
sender.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT
> [mailto:TomP dot Trowbridge at state dot nm dot us]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 1:27 PM
> >> > To: Khalil J. Spencer; bikefed at aol dot com;
Theresa Cull; clay Davis;
>
> >> > DAHome; MH at FBDLAW dot com; board at bikeabq dot org;
Witter, Trina; Khalil
> >> > Spencer; Diane Albert; andy at bikeleague dot org
> >> > Subject: RE: Santa Fe to add red light
cameras
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > About time, in my humble opinion. I see so,
so many red-light
> >> > runners here that hopefully this will get
the violators'
> attention.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Khalil J. Spencer
[mailto:spencerk at lanl dot gov]
> >> > Sent: Thu 3/12/2009 12:58 PM
> >> > To: bikefed at aol dot com; Theresa Cull; clay
Davis; Diane Albert;
> >> > spencerk at lanl dot gov; MH at FBDLAW dot com;
board at bikeabq dot org; Witter,
> Trina;
>
> >> > Trowbridge, Tom P, NMDOT; Khalil Spencer;
dalbert at peacocklaw dot com;
>
> >> > andy at bikeleague dot org
> >> > Subject: Santa Fe to add red light cameras
> >> >
> >> > Smile, you are on red light camera!
> >> >
> >> >
>
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Local%20News/Council-OKs-red-light
> >> > -came
> >> > ras
> >> >
> >> > Khalil J. Spencer
> >> > Chemistry Division, Analytical Chemistry
Group Team Leader, Mass
> >> > Spectrometry Los Alamos National Laboratory
P.O. Box 1663, MS
> G740
> >> > Los Alamos, NM 87545
> >> > 505-665-2418
> >> > fax 505-665-4737
> >> > spencerk at lanl dot gov
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>
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> >505-661-8141
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> >
>
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