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RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law possibly violated?
- From: Khalil <khalil at losalamos dot com>
- Subject: RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law possibly violated?
- Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:22:28 -0700
Might be good to find out. There might be a way to negotiate this so the bikes stay up and everyone is reasonably happy.
Khal "advice from the peanut gallery" Spencer
-----Original message-----
From: "Martha Hardman" MH at FBDLAW dot com
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:56:00 -0700
To: blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com
Subject: RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law possibly violated?
> Rather than wating until construction is finished, why doesn't one of us
> contact the Mayor's office and see what the story is--since it was the
> Mayor's office that ordered it removed.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Black Tie Bicyclist [mailto:blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com]
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:39 AM
> To: Johnson-Grover; bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com; Diane Albert;
> spencerk at lanl dot gov; Khalil Spencer; lorimeszaros at yahoo dot com
> Cc: corey at vintagesherpa dot com; tomp dot trowbridge at state dot nm dot us;
> nmlci at woozle dot org
> Subject: RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law possibly
> violated?
>
>
> Actually without a placard they are quite see through so I don't see how
> they obstruct the view.
>
> Section C wouldn't apply to the Sekreta Ghostbike that was in the wide
> seperated median chained to the Bike Crossing Sign's post. It neather
> damaged nor obsrtucted the view, you can see the workers arms beyond the
> Ghostbike in the Journal Photo.
>
> Check out http://www.ghostbikes.org/
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Lori Meszaros <lorimeszaros at yahoo dot com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Lori Meszaros <lorimeszaros at yahoo dot com>
> Subject: RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law
> possibly violated?
> To: "Johnson-Grover" <johnsongrover at msn dot com>, "Craig Degenhardt"
> <blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com>, bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com, "Diane Albert"
> <dalbert at cybermesa dot com>, spencerk at lanl dot gov, "Khalil Spencer"
> <khalil at losalamos dot com>
> Cc: corey at vintagesherpa dot com, tomp dot trowbridge at state dot nm dot us,
> nmlci at woozle dot org
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:25 AM
>
>
> I love the idea of the ghost bike and I am not opposed to them, I think
> they make a great statement, but they are pretty big and I can see why
> people may say they obstruct view. Maybe we could come up with a cross
> with a bike on it?
> Just a thought, Lori M
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Khalil Spencer <khalil at losalamos dot com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Khalil Spencer <khalil at losalamos dot com>
> Subject: RE: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone, New Mexico law
> possibly violated?
> To: "Johnson-Grover" <johnsongrover at msn dot com>, "Craig Degenhardt"
> <blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com>, bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com, "Diane Albert"
> <dalbert at cybermesa dot com>, spencerk at lanl dot gov
> Cc: corey at vintagesherpa dot com, tomp dot trowbridge at state dot nm dot us,
> nmlci at woozle dot org
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:34 PM
>
>
> I've seen quite a variation in memorials up this way. Never
> heard there was a standard allowable design, so why not include a
> bicycle?
>
> There is one legal loophole. See section C.
>
> 30-15-7. Desecration of roadside memorials; penalty.
> <http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-fram> e.h
> tm&l=query&iid=11524dcf.61c67343.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-15-7%27%5D>>
>
> A. A person shall not knowingly or willfully deface or
> destroy, in whole or in part, a descanso, also known as a memorial,
> placed alongside a public road right of way to memorialize the death of
> one or more persons.
>
> B. A person who violates the provisions of Subsection A of
> this section is:
>
> (1) for a first offense, guilty of a petty misdemeanor and
> upon conviction shall be sentenced pursuant to the provisions of Section
> 31-19-1
> <http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-fram> e.h
> tm&l=query&iid=11524dcf.61c67343.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2731-19-1%27%5D>>
> NMSA 1978; and
>
> (2) for a second and subsequent offense, guilty of a
> misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be sentenced pursuant to the
> provisions of Section 31-19-1
> <http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-fram> e.h
> tm&l=query&iid=11524dcf.61c67343.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2731-19-1%27%5D>>
> NMSA 1978.
>
> C. The provisions of this section shall not apply to law
> enforcement officials or other employees of the state or a political
> subdivision of the state who in the course of the lawful discharge of
> their duties move or remove a descanso that obstructs or damages any
> public road in this state or to an owner of private property upon which
> a descanso is located.
>
> Seems to me the government can only take it down if it is
> obstructing something. Santa Fe has argued that you cannot obstruct the
> center median of a road as it obstructs vision, or something like that.
> Put up a new memorial with flowers and a smaller ghost bike or perhaps
> just the bicycle wheels, and make sure it doesn't obstruct the public
> road in any way. Then file the lawsuit if it gets taken down.
>
> At 09:06 AM 3/15/2009, Johnson-Grover wrote:
>
>
> Ummmmm
>
>
>
> 30-15-7. Desecration of roadside memorials; penalty.
> <http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-fram> e.h
> tm&l=query&iid=11524dcf.61c67343.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2730-15-7%27%5D>>
>
> I think there's an issue here. If the city tampers with
> the bike then how can they justify leaving all the other hundreds of
> descansos around town? I'm sure this is not the first time this issue
> has come up...if anybody knows anybody about what challenges have
> occurred in the past, now would be a time to think about getting
> involved...
>
> Is this not a direct test of the Lemon or Establishment
> clause Diane???
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:25:09 -0700
> From: blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com
> Subject: [nmlci] Answer: Ghost Bike Gone
> To: bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com
> CC: corey at vintagesherpa dot com;
> tomp dot trowbridge at state dot nm dot us; nmlci at woozle dot org
>
> FYI
> Lets wait till constuction is over to see what happens.
>
> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Silda Mason <sirqmason at yahoo dot com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Silda Mason <sirqmason at yahoo dot com>
>
> Subject: Re: [bikeabq] Ghost Bike Gone
>
> To: blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com
>
> Cc: "'Board BikeABQ'" <board at bikeabq dot org>
>
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
>
>
> I was on a bike ride with the Touring Society
> this morning around 10am and we went by there. A man was cutting the
> lock. I asked him who had ordered it removed, and he said Jay Evans (?)
> by order from the Mayor had ordered him to remove it. Are they really
> going to put a traffic light there?
>
> Silda
>
>
> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Black Tie Bicyclist
> <blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Black Tie Bicyclist
> <blacktiebicyclist at yahoo dot com>
>
> Subject: Re: [bikeabq] Ghost Bike Gone
>
> To: bikeabq at yahoogroups dot com, "Hal"
> <halfencer at aol dot com>
>
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 4:42 PM
>
>
> It was there at 9:30 last night
>
>
> --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Hal <halfencer at aol dot
> com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Hal <halfencer at aol dot com>
>
> Subject: [bikeabq] Ghost Bike Gone
>
> To: bikeabq at yahoogroups .com
>
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
>
> Either it's gone or invisible but I
> couldn't see it today when I went by Commanche and Paseo del Nordeste
> bike trail. The city is constructing something at the site so workers
> might have removed it.
>
>
>
>
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